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Monday, February 17, 2014

District 5 seeding controversy

As I noted last night, the District 5 brackets are out for this weekend's tournament. I still don't have enough time to do a detailed analysis of them, but I've had enough people ask me about the 145-pound bracket to make it worth a quick post.
The burning question is: How can Berlin's Braden Fochtman be the No. 1 seed when he was beaten not once but twice by Chestnut Ridge's Trent Crouse?
I know, it seems illogical at best. The simple answer is, the system says that head-to-head results are only taken into account if the difference between two wrestlers' point totals is 15 or less. With Fochtman and Crouse, they weren't even close. Fochtman had 240 points, compared with 175 for Crouse, so it wasn't even close.
What's more amazing is that Fochtman, from what I've been told, would have been the top seed in the entire tournament at any weight. One coach told me that Fochtman's 240 points were more than Austin Buttry, who beat three state placewinners, and Ryan Easter, who was a state runner-up last season. Taylor Cahill also was over 200 points, which was a number that I was told only Nick Roberts had topped in the past few years.
I'm baffled as to how Berlin's wrestlers could have accrued so many points with what certainly looked like a much weaker schedule than Chestnut Ridge's. Both teams were in the Thomas tournament. There was some good competition at the Sheetz Holiday Classic and one or two decent matches at the Redbank Valley tournament and the Mountaineer Duals, but those don't compare to Ridge's schedule, which includes the Brookville Ultimate Duals and POWERade.
Seedings are always difficult, and Berlin was on the other end of this a few years ago when Jacob Craig was the second seed to Bedford's Jacob Krupa, who he had beaten twice. I understand why the system requires points to be taken into consideration for head-to-head to matter. Since Nick Roberts came up earlier in the post, let's use him for a hypothetical example. Say he was wrestling a .500 wrestler but had an injury that forced him to default or that he got caught in a headlock and pinned by the hypothetical average wrestler. Should he, a two-time state champ heading into districts, have been the second seed because of that? I think we could all understand that he shouldn't. But those are very rare scenarios that don't occur often, if at all. Scenarios like the Fochtman-Crouse one seem to happen more often.

7 comments:

  1. Just two years ago Trent Crouse was seeded behind Ryan Easter, even though Crouse had won both of the regular season matchups between the 2.

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  2. In a better world, there would be a commitee of Knopsynder, Ryan Spring, and the president of the coaches association at the seeding meeting. A coach could make a challenge to a seed when there is are head-to-head/points issues and the commitee would rule on it.
    I'm just as shocked that Garrett Thomas is second to Derrick Claar. Thomas beat Claar at the Thomas tourney.

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    1. Haha. Yeah, because Ryan and I need more commitments (and people yelling at us). I appreciate the faith you guys have in us, but it's a tough job coming up with the seeds. Notice that someone always seems to be unhappy, no matter what the system is, what the district is or what year it is.
      Glad I can just sit back and let someone else handle the headaches!

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  3. At some point common sense has to be put into the equation. I feel a coaches challenge is worth in both the 138 and 145 lb weight classes and every coach would be ok with the challenge. It makes D5 coaches and the D5 chairperson look ridiculously dumb for allowing this too happen. I know they made the seeding rules in case someone that is really good gets "caught" but all coaches know when this happened and that can be adjusted accordingly. geesh shame on D5

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  4. When will you be able to give us your rundown Eric? Can't wait too see your predictions!

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  5. Pointer to results?

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